Bajazzo Clown wall machines
Re: Clown Catcher payout conversion
Cool, well there's a little more variation than I thought! I've never turned up anything with a brown or gold felt sadly. But I've had some that sure did look like it until I removed some trim.
Except those two colours were well and truly entrenched already on the Pickwick circa 1910 onwards, which I've only seen in red or green also..... If you have some early serial numbers for the brown backgrounds and only later serials for the red and green then we could start to build up some kind of timeline. But I imagine it's likely more a case of whatever they got a good deal on at the time.
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Re: Clown Catcher payout conversion
In a previous topic Fredslija passed on a claim that German pre-WW1 Clown plush was green; post-WW1, red. It should at least be possible to disprove this, if there are Clowns with original green plush with later serial numbers than any with original red plush...
And this from JC:
And this from JC:
My impression is that British-made Clowns tend to have red plush whereas most (if not all) German-made Clowns have green plush.JC wrote: ↑Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:14 amOn the subject of the colour of velvet used, I too have heard this, although I think Fredslija has got it slightly wrong. I understand (as the story goes) machines built prior to WWI had brown velvet; the small number built during the war had red, and all those built after the war had green velvet. This is probably confused by the relatively large number of machines that have been restored over the last thirty-odd years, although it should be easy to tell whether a machine's velvet is original.
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Handan-Ni Clown identified
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Hello
I have just found this site, what fun.
Please can anybody help with some info?
I attach a pic of a machine I bought about 20 years ago. It has an allwin type trigger to launch the ball. As I have not located another whilst looking on the internet, l hope somebody can help.
I had the old metal around the penny slot replaced. The old one says Brevete SGDG, so I guess it's French. The door is slightly warped - any suggestions? Also I use a ball bearing to play. This drops so fast, would this have been used originally?
Anyhow it's working.
Thanks
barryisland
Hello
I have just found this site, what fun.
Please can anybody help with some info?
I attach a pic of a machine I bought about 20 years ago. It has an allwin type trigger to launch the ball. As I have not located another whilst looking on the internet, l hope somebody can help.
I had the old metal around the penny slot replaced. The old one says Brevete SGDG, so I guess it's French. The door is slightly warped - any suggestions? Also I use a ball bearing to play. This drops so fast, would this have been used originally?
Anyhow it's working.
Thanks
barryisland
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please.
Barry,
Welcome to PennyMachines. If you type "Bajazzo" into the search function in the Forum, you will find a wealth of information on your machine. There were several different iterations of the clown catcher as you will find. Yours is a nice one.
Regards,
J Peterson
American clown
Welcome to PennyMachines. If you type "Bajazzo" into the search function in the Forum, you will find a wealth of information on your machine. There were several different iterations of the clown catcher as you will find. Yours is a nice one.
Regards,
J Peterson
American clown
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
I don't think I've seen that one before, but this heavily restored French clown, like yours, does not run on a ball, and requires the player to project the ball upwards with a trigger. I think it has had the ball added (notice the thin string, also added, for it to run on).
This British shield catcher is a forerunner to the clowns.
This British shield catcher is a forerunner to the clowns.
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
Hello and thank you both.
I looked through the forum but could not find one like mine.
I see the similarities on the two you have posted.
The case is stamped 192 on the side. I attach a pic of the mech in case anybody can perhaps identify.
Any alternative to the heavy ball bearing?
Thanks
I looked through the forum but could not find one like mine.
I see the similarities on the two you have posted.
The case is stamped 192 on the side. I attach a pic of the mech in case anybody can perhaps identify.
Any alternative to the heavy ball bearing?
Thanks
Re: Clown Catcher, info please
The ball will drop just as fast whatever it's made of, so I wouldn't worry about that.
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
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Yes I see your point.
It's also that the BB gets quite a wack from the timber peg to send it up.
I see the peg is mushrooming at the top, perhaps a steel BB was not the original material or I will try rubber top on the peg which will be a bit kinder?
Thanks
Yes I see your point.
It's also that the BB gets quite a wack from the timber peg to send it up.
I see the peg is mushrooming at the top, perhaps a steel BB was not the original material or I will try rubber top on the peg which will be a bit kinder?
Thanks
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
Unusual mechanism. I imagined it to be coin return, not token payout. I haven't seen a Clown use anything other than steel balls. Could be the ball is too small? It looks so, against the ball separator.
With regard to the door warp - perhaps a piece of wood as an end stop inside the top right corner of the cabinet (or a strip inside the length of the left side) would keep it straight when locked. Otherwise a combination of clamping, moisture and heat may be the answer. Some ideas here.
With regard to the door warp - perhaps a piece of wood as an end stop inside the top right corner of the cabinet (or a strip inside the length of the left side) would keep it straight when locked. Otherwise a combination of clamping, moisture and heat may be the answer. Some ideas here.
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
The "Brevete SGDG" coin insert was a typical purchased part, used for various machines.
Are the fixing screws for the knobs (three per knob) slotted, or seemed they to be unusual?
Are the fixing screws for the knobs (three per knob) slotted, or seemed they to be unusual?
Re: Clown Catcher, info please
I agree the BB does look very small in the pics. Worth trying a more ‘normal’ size one and seeing how it works. It might also slow the fall a little as a larger ball will get more jostled by the pins.
Re: Clown Catcher, info please
My Clown Catcher is similar except it doesn't have a 'flicker' to raise the ball to the top. It certainly makes the mech a lot simpler to do it this way. You can see from the attached photo how much extra metalwork is needed to raise the ball to the top of the machine with the T shaped knob.
The tube on the left holds the tokens so I don't think yours can be a coin return - it appears it is intended to return tokens, like mine. I did read somewhere that dispensing coins from a machine required a special license in Germany and this is why tokens were used instead. Could be totally wrong, of course, like so many of these stories.
The tube on the left holds the tokens so I don't think yours can be a coin return - it appears it is intended to return tokens, like mine. I did read somewhere that dispensing coins from a machine required a special license in Germany and this is why tokens were used instead. Could be totally wrong, of course, like so many of these stories.
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
Yours is the 'standard', most common (but very nice) Jentzsch & Meerz version.
Certainly tokens were more likely to be tolerated than cash payouts.
If fired with the same force, it will also decelerate more quickly on its upward path.
To my mind, that is the only part of the machine that suggests it's French. The cabinet doesn't look like fruit-wood, the distinctive trigger can be seen on several Handan-Ni games, and even the mechanism has a British feel to it. Are the English instructions hand written or printed?santelmann wrote: ↑Fri Jul 03, 2020 5:52 am The "Brevete SGDG" coin insert was a typical purchased part, used for various machines.
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Re: Clown Catcher, info please
I have just caught up with this post and hope the following will help. A lot of the observations seem to be correct, firstly the machine is English not French, secondly it is I believe a rare Handan Ni machine. I am posting pictures of my machine, which you can see the ball launch on yours seems to have been altered. Does the twisting lever half way up right hand do anything? On mine it launches the ball via a complicated mechanism. This causes the hammer, as yours, to fire the ball the full height of the machine (on mine the spring is not strong enough to take the ball into play) but as the machine is unrestored in any way I can see, I have not tried to replace it with a stronger spring. The ball is NOT a steel ball bearing but a composite ball. The token payout is with Handan Ni tokens, which are significantly smaller than normal clown tokens and the payout cup on mine is classic Handan Ni. If I can help with any additional pictures of mech., please ask. Your machine seems to have a token tube but not connected. What diameter is your tube?
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Re: Handan Ni Clown Catcher identified
Sweetmeats - your Clown is now in the Museum.
Interesting that Handan-Ni made two variants. Suggests they made quite a few.
Interesting that Handan-Ni made two variants. Suggests they made quite a few.
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Re: Handan Ni Clown Catcher identified
I had one which I always thought was Handan-Ni. Same hardware and case as sweetmeats but a bit nicer looking
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Re: Handan Ni Clown Catcher identified
Added to the Museum.
Another British Clown - this one apparently from the Phoenix Works, Birmingham.
Re: Handan-Ni Clown identified
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