Bally Gold Cup Deluxe circa 1965

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coppinpr wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:48 pmThe "modern" electronic reels seemed sharp and smooth, seeming to tumble along
There was a clever pattern to it. Each display had two sets of symbols - a real set and a teaser set. The teaser set had more jackpot symbols on it to give the illusion of liberality, but it would never stop on them, only on the real set. The change from one symbol to the next as the game ran was in four stages - first the real, then both the real and the teaser at the same time, then just the teaser, then briefly dark. Persistence of vision left the player mainly remembering the teaser symbols, while the "tumble" effect came from seeing the (123-)(123-)(123-) sequence constantly repeated about eight times a second, too fast to make out but not too fast for the brain to notice the pattern.
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Good day to you all
I picked up a Bally Gold Cup a month or so back and I'm having problems getting the pantoscope to light.
All 3 windows are out and was hoping someone could point me in the right direction.......
Not sure if they are supposed to be on all the time or activated once money is put in ?
Any help greatly appreciated.
Thank you
Mike
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Do they activate once money is put in ?
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They are always on in normal use, but I THINK they may turn off in Tilt - similar Games and Keeney machines do. The machines turn on in the Tilt state, and come out of it on the first play. It will be one of the relays on the back door, which will latch on if you close it manually. If you're really lucky it will have a notice on it saying TILT RELAY.
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Thank you for your input guys.
The pantoscope lights remain off when money is put in but the machine seems to operate correctly to the point it pays out.
I have checked for the tilt switch and it has what is called a anti cheat relay which is not latched on and the relay contacts are in the correct open and shut positions.
It has 3 flasher units that controls what fruit shapes you see, so I am looking for maybe a common switch to turn on the lights....
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Going from memory.... The anti cheat relay should pull in on the first play cycle and stay energised through its holding contacts... Have you got a circuit diagram?
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The "common switch to turn on the lights" that you seek is a contact on the Anti Cheat relay, which should be energized at all times unless its return circuit is broken by the slam switch. The other function of the Anti Cheat relay is to connect power to the Win Relay. If the A-C relay won't stay pulled in but it still pays out, your machine has been fiddled with, which I can see it has anyway because it doesn't have a replay counter, it doesn't have a "golden odds" pay panel, and the payouts are given in "p" which weren't invented until years after that machine was made. It probably also has "random hold". In that case it's anyone's guess, but I'll bet it's still the A-C relay.

The Gold Cup is built mainly of Bally Bingo parts, so I offer you a caution. Most of the circuitry is 50VAC, but the motors that drive the tall vertical stacks are usually 110V. The 110V is taken off a tap on the transformer primary, so it is in all but name the 240V mains, and that voltage is present on some of the open leaf relay contacts. Be careful poking about.
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Thanks again or all the help I'm receiving. !!THUMBSX2!!
The anti cheat relay is energizing once the first play after power on and remains on after that.
If I activate one of the slam switches it de energizes....
If I win, the win relay is energized, so looks like they are all ok.
I have noticed that the tilt light, feature lights also do not work when they are supposed to. !PUZZLED!
I have a manual for the machine but no circuit diagram, so if anyone has one they could copy over that would help.
I have worked on pinball machines, so was surprised to see all the pinball technology packed into the back of the gold cup... but no need to worry I always where my wellies and rubber gloves when poking around on these beasts. :!:
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I regret I can't help you with a circuit diagram. I've got diagrams for similar Keeney and Games machines but they are much simpler - they don't rely on Bingo technology. It seems to me it wouldn't be too difficult to trace the wiring. If the Tilt light doesn't light and NEITHER do the display lights, that's your clue. 6V must not be reaching the Anti Cheat relay, since opposite sides of the same contact supply either-or. The contact supplying the Tilt light won't go to any other place than the light, so you should be able to identify it from the wire colors at each end. Then you know the moving contact, and can trace that back to the transformer. Perhaps the (what I call) "operating" 6V lights have a different fuse from the 6V general illumination lights behind the glass.
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Check the fuse holders... they are made of plated brass and the arms that hold the fuse lose tension.
When you try to bend the arms back in again they break and fall off. Happens on all the old Ballys!
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