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I recently acquired a Watling Rol A Top birds of paradise from an online auction. It is missing some parts:

Coin return mechanism.
Coin check lever/pin.
Coin guiding unit.
Unit for pushing coin into pay tube.

It also appears to have a strange reel set on, maybe from a Mills machine

I have attached lots of images of everything.

Do you know where I could acquire the necessary parts to complete my machine? Thanks.
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tropicana50 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:36 amIt also appears to have a strange reel set on, maybe from a Mills machine.
Not Mills for sure. The symbols are all early Jennings symbols with the exception of the joker. I suspect these are a set made up in France for this machine. The Cherry is set at the wrong angle to be a Jennings set and the Joker has a distinctly French/German style to it.
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Text on the award card has Italian writing so assume it's that. Can't say I have seen a machine featuring a wild symbol before (The Joker/Jester pays for any symbol).
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Not sure there are many people in UK who would have spares for Rol a Tops here, other than the man known to collect them, who is on this forum. Other than that, there are specialists in the US who may have parts. Watlingman will know who they are.

Certainly the machine you got at Spicers was cheap for a Bird of Paradise and I guess one would expect a few issues to be that low. Hopefully you can get them sorted. I noticed the rear door was repro, but is the cabinet new or original? Maybe it is just the high gloss paint that makes it look new. !PUZZLED!
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Cabinet and the mech are original. I think the entire reel set is from another machine including the plates. The rear door is definitely not original as it doesn't have the Watling logo. Everything is pretty good with the machine except for the missing parts and it requiring a jolly good clean.

I have reached out to Larry Debough and Squires & Corrie as well so hoping to hear back they can find the parts.

Would be great if I could find them in the UK. Awaiting Watlingman's reply with baited breath!
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I like the jester reel symbols, even if they're not original to the machine. Perhaps, as you suggest, an Italian mod.
Is that the jest above, "VALE PER TUTTE LE COMBINAZIONE" on the score card? I would want to keep that - unusual, interesting feature.
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Is this really a 80 ish year old machine? Very little wear on some of the mech parts that I can see.
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It might be worth remembering that some of the more basic essentials may be available from a Bell Fruit donor machine. :!?!:

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As mentioned many times I am clueless to Watling machines and never owned one, but was curious as this machine has single cherry payout and on googling I noticed all I looked at had two cherries except the reproduction machines. Not saying this is a reproduction, but wonder if some did have single cherry !PUZZLED!
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Can I see pics of inside the case? Is there a twin jackpot or Gold award mechanism?
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treefrog wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2023 8:17 pm As mentioned many times I am clueless to Watling machines and never owned one, but was curious as this machine has single cherry payout and on googling I noticed all I looked at had two cherries except the reproduction machines. Not saying this is a reproduction, but wonder if some did have single cherry !PUZZLED!
Hi Treefrog.
The Checkerboard front Rol a Top had single cherry pay (1948 - 51).
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The auction house only shared external pictures. Looks like some kind of jackpot there.
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I always think of the Ro-a-Top (or TOR as it was originally) range as a bit of an enigma, collectors either love the design them or hate it. It was certainly a big success for the company when they first came out although it was that success that caused the company to stick with the design for too long leading to the abandonment of slot machine manufacture in 1947 (the checkerboard was the last Watling slot machine which I guess is why it had the (by that time popular) single cherry payout. I thought I liked them but when I got one (a re-pro only I might add) I soon decided they were not for me and sold it. my favourite Wating machine has to be the one below, not that I'd want one. It's just that it always amazes me that any company would design a thing like this, the rather oddly placed "third hand" must have looked a little embarrassing vibrating away in the player's grip for all to see, while the half-naked man looked nonchalantly off to the left, the message "It's pleasant" doesn't help matters. :lol: :shock:
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coppinpr wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:11 am leading to the abandonment of slot machine manufacture in 1947 (the checkerboard was the last Watling slot machine which I guess is why it had the (by that time popular) single cherry payout.
Hi coppinpr.
This is not the case. I have a Watling Checkboard with Tic Tac Toe payout with a 1948 serial. Also Watling made an "Export Rol a Top" well into 1950 and some evidence suggests right up until the Johnson act of 1951!
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Watling were certainly still producing (or at least selling) the chessboard front machines in 1950.
See page 458 of 'Collector's Treasury of Antique Slot Machines from Contemporary Advertising'.
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This is not the case. I have a Watling Checkboard with Tic Tac Toe payout with a 1948 serial. Also Watling made an "Export Rol a Top" well into 1950 and some evidence suggests right up until the Johnson act of 1951!
I'm sure your right, I never said otherwise(appart from wrongly using the word "manufacture" when I should have said " development"
they may have been selling them, in fact, I would have expected them to but according to their history the last machine they came up with was, as I said, the checkerboard in 1947, in fact, it seems obvious to me that if a company issues a new machine in 1947 they would expect to still be producing and selling it in 1950, they did not go broke, just stopped coming up with new machines. I said nothing about them stopping selling machines,I believe they were still re-furbishing machines for customers up until they closed down in 1960 ,at which point we know they still had the tooling because they sold a lot of it to Bell fruit( Reno) who soon failed and sold the name and tooling to Bell Fruit(UK)
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... I gotta go to Spec Savers, I keep reading "Cheese Boards"
It's always food with me.

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Twin jackpot is there and fully functional. The front parts for the gold award holding parts and the trigger arm are not apparent. I don't think this was ever a gold award version.

Also seems like the mint vendor was never functional from the outset as the twist handle area has a fixed plate blocking its access.

Have managed to source all of the original required parts to make it complete from the US. Will post some updates once they are fitted and I have it running.
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Good News. Ws it Larry Debaugh? He helped me with my Watling BOP.
Keep us updated, we all love pictures on this site, so well done what you posted so far!!
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tropicana50 wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:10 amAlso seems like the mint vendor was never functional from the outset as the twist handle area has a fixed plate blocking its access.
I think that is unlikely, much more likely is that it was removed when it arrived in Europe and was refurbed, which was the usual procedure as mint vendors were never really used this side of the Atlantic. depends on what you mean by "a fixed plate" Is this part of the casting or an addition?
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