Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in lincoln. Help fix?
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in lincoln. Help fix?
Hi .......
I was at Newark today and spoke to the chap who sold you it - he's often on here and a mate.
He told me about you - said I should keep an eye out for you as I am in Lincoln.
As Tazmantic says, you need one of those bits he's photographed. We can sort that out if you want.
Where in Lincoln are you?
BP
I was at Newark today and spoke to the chap who sold you it - he's often on here and a mate.
He told me about you - said I should keep an eye out for you as I am in Lincoln.
As Tazmantic says, you need one of those bits he's photographed. We can sort that out if you want.
Where in Lincoln are you?
BP
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in lincoln. Help fix?
Ah fantastic. I'm just off Monks Road. If you can quote me a price and if you/anybody else can literally fix it for me for a fee so that (hopefully) it is in a running order - then this would be fantastic.
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in lincoln. Help fix?
Yep, that is a re-cased German mech, fully mechanical,1 or 2 small t8 lamps at a guess. That's all the plugs for.
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Thank you Jeremy for coming around today. Fingers crossed it can work again. I am very much appreciative for all the assistance.
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Update and interesting observation.
Having found elements of this Günther Wulff mechanism to be gummed up or in the case of the payout totally seized I removed it and stripped it down.
My attention was immediately attracted to two oddities.
One was there were a number of very well made aluminium reproduction slides.
The second was that I found the answer to why the original slides were made with series of small holes in the face. I had always supposed they were part of the manufacturing process. However I now see that they inserted pins to hold two slides together to double a payout.
Interestingly they didn't always concentrate on what they were doing for in the above photo you'll notice that the dimple which assists the payout rod to reset would be useless as after mounting the two slides together it'd be hidden on the wrong side.
What is most strange is that after going to so much bother to manufacture new slides out of aluminium, somebody has gone to immense trouble to get them all exactly wrong. The holes are too small, I thought at first they were preparing to convert it to 2np, but they're far too big for those.
........... not only that, but they didn't centralise the holes.
So now we'll find out just how steady my hands are after I've found my Dremmel.
BP
Having found elements of this Günther Wulff mechanism to be gummed up or in the case of the payout totally seized I removed it and stripped it down.
My attention was immediately attracted to two oddities.
One was there were a number of very well made aluminium reproduction slides.
The second was that I found the answer to why the original slides were made with series of small holes in the face. I had always supposed they were part of the manufacturing process. However I now see that they inserted pins to hold two slides together to double a payout.
Interestingly they didn't always concentrate on what they were doing for in the above photo you'll notice that the dimple which assists the payout rod to reset would be useless as after mounting the two slides together it'd be hidden on the wrong side.
What is most strange is that after going to so much bother to manufacture new slides out of aluminium, somebody has gone to immense trouble to get them all exactly wrong. The holes are too small, I thought at first they were preparing to convert it to 2np, but they're far too big for those.
........... not only that, but they didn't centralise the holes.
So now we'll find out just how steady my hands are after I've found my Dremmel.
BP
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Hmm interesting. Thanks for the update, looks as though this is one that needs a lot more work than originally thought!
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Nice one Jeremy, but the original is rounded on the outer edge, giving more material round the hole. The repro is cut straight, so to make it fit an old penny it will be incredibly thin. Also, aluminium is very soft and will wear very quick. It should really be brass, but that's harder to work with.
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
What you say is true GP67 however aluminium will always be stronger than the pot metal originals.
We have to remember these machines were only built for a life of three years, and many are still struggling along 57 years later.
Doing better than I am in fact, so I'm optimistic the biggest weakness will be my dodgy hand to eye coordination.
I have a very early German wall machine in my pile marked "requires oodles of coats of looking at", which is cracking and de-laminating so nicely that I am now assigned to having to use lumps of its frame as a pattern to cast aluminium replacements. This being the only way I imagine it can be saved.
Straight breaks like the slide shown in the market I have had more than a modicum of success in repairing with modern adhesives (it's all in the preparation), but I'm now entering the world of replacement casting.
For those who don't know me, the mental image of me stumbling around in the back garden with an old saucepan of molten alloy sloshing about should be enough to stimulate much elbow nudging and whispered comments such as this should be good .... where's me camera?
I estimate 3 or 4 trial runs before I'm anywhere near understanding what's required to produce an acceptable result, which will be about a fortnight after we've all bought a 3D printer.
BP
We have to remember these machines were only built for a life of three years, and many are still struggling along 57 years later.
Doing better than I am in fact, so I'm optimistic the biggest weakness will be my dodgy hand to eye coordination.
I have a very early German wall machine in my pile marked "requires oodles of coats of looking at", which is cracking and de-laminating so nicely that I am now assigned to having to use lumps of its frame as a pattern to cast aluminium replacements. This being the only way I imagine it can be saved.
Straight breaks like the slide shown in the market I have had more than a modicum of success in repairing with modern adhesives (it's all in the preparation), but I'm now entering the world of replacement casting.
For those who don't know me, the mental image of me stumbling around in the back garden with an old saucepan of molten alloy sloshing about should be enough to stimulate much elbow nudging and whispered comments such as this should be good .... where's me camera?
I estimate 3 or 4 trial runs before I'm anywhere near understanding what's required to produce an acceptable result, which will be about a fortnight after we've all bought a 3D printer.
So far so good "dicky_88" panic ye not, we've brought a lot worse than this back from the brink. The way I look at it is ...... It could be a lot worse ....... it could be mine instead of yours joke!dicky_88 wrote:Hmm interesting. Thanks for the update, looks as though this is one that needs a lot more work than originally thought!
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Let's see Jeremy, pot full of molten metal, walking 'round the garden - where's me camera, I bet you melted it.
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Hi Badpenny,badpenny wrote:Straight breaks, like the slide shown in the Market, I have had more than a modicum of success in repairing with modern adhesives
It is my ad on the Market looking for a replacement to the broken coin slide. I have tried to super-glue it but it didn't hold.
One tip I have had is to leave it for a few days to harden so will try again as it looks unlikely anyone has spares.
I am restoring a Princess bandit which is in excellent condition apart from the broken slide. Out of the five coins slides, three are made from steel. It is one of the pot metal slides which has snapped (see image). I will try again tonight and leave it for a few days this time.
Dan
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Got loads of spare individual and complete slide sets for beromat machines, both brass and alloy if you need help...
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Good man TF .... poor old Dan has been advertising on the market for a replacement since Mafeking was relieved.treefrog wrote:Got loads of spare individual and complete slide sets for Beromat machines, both brass and alloy if you need help...
I wouldn't use super glue incidentally, I'd use a two pack epoxy glue.
It's a bit like using car body repair stuff, you put on more than you need and then rub it back.
Firstly I'd make sure the edges of the break were as rough as possible.
Then I'd place the two parts on Greaseproof Paper.
Make up double the amount of adhesive you'll need.
Leaving a tiny gap between the parts to ensure the gunk gets in there, use a cocktail stick and lather it on and into the gap.
Wait until it's starting to go off and force the parts together.
Now go on holiday for a fortnight, that'll ensure you don't even look at it, let alone touch the little beastie.
It should peel off the Greaseproof Paper easily, but don't be clumsy with it.
Using something like a Dremel and a sanding attachment address the height of overlap of adhesive on the top and bottom of the slide.
You can leave excess on the sides as not only will it add strength but it won't foul on the other slides.
Be very careful when doing the sanding back and take lots of breaks (no pun intended) as it will generate a lot of heat and the melting point of Pot Metal is just a fraction above ice.
BP
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Hi Badpenny,
Thanks for the advice - it is all about knowledge. I should have come to the forum first!
I have e-mailed Treefrog to take him up on his kind offer of help.
In the meantime I am off to the DIY to buy some epoxy resin.
Cheers,
Dan.
Thanks for the advice - it is all about knowledge. I should have come to the forum first!
I have e-mailed Treefrog to take him up on his kind offer of help.
In the meantime I am off to the DIY to buy some epoxy resin.
Cheers,
Dan.
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Right I've got those pesky, dagnabbit replacement slides up-sized.
I used the bottom slide which is the brass one that resets and releases the stack at the beginning and end of the cycle to mark them all.
Once I knew how much meat had to come off them I stuck a rough circular file in my electric drill and chewed out the excess.
Then I taped them together and threatened them with a small sanding barrel to smooth off the edges and hey presto, job's a good 'un.
Now to chuck it all together and make the slug rejector.
BP
I used the bottom slide which is the brass one that resets and releases the stack at the beginning and end of the cycle to mark them all.
Once I knew how much meat had to come off them I stuck a rough circular file in my electric drill and chewed out the excess.
Then I taped them together and threatened them with a small sanding barrel to smooth off the edges and hey presto, job's a good 'un.
Now to chuck it all together and make the slug rejector.
BP
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Machine is now in good working order thanks to Jeremy's hard work. Brought her back to life for me. Much appreciation and thanks once again.
David
David
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Glad you're pleased D.
Now I know why I can't stand throwing away bits and bobs, it's amazing what will come in handy.
Now you need to chuck a few hundred pennies through it to let it bed in.
Don't hesitate to shout if a problem arises.
Now I know why I can't stand throwing away bits and bobs, it's amazing what will come in handy.
Now you need to chuck a few hundred pennies through it to let it bed in.
Don't hesitate to shout if a problem arises.
Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Hi treefrog
I'm new to this forum and new to coin op machines.
I've just got my hands on a Dutchess one arm bandit. On the surface it looked like a good one. On closer inspection there is a big issue. The payout is not working properly. I've taken the coin sliders apart to find all of the slides have broken in two. On a post you wrote back in 2014 you said you have spare sets. Is this still the case? Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks dano
I'm new to this forum and new to coin op machines.
I've just got my hands on a Dutchess one arm bandit. On the surface it looked like a good one. On closer inspection there is a big issue. The payout is not working properly. I've taken the coin sliders apart to find all of the slides have broken in two. On a post you wrote back in 2014 you said you have spare sets. Is this still the case? Any help would be much appreciated.
Thanks dano
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Re: Duchess one arm bandit in Lincoln. Help fix?
Hi dano ...
I've been mending Gunther Wullf mechanisms 50 years man and beast.
Treefrog is your best chance of replacement bits and bobs, however if you want another pair of eyes or a bum steer advice, t'would appear I am very close.
I live Uphill in Lincoln.
Don't hesitate to contact me if you want.
Cheers and welcome to the forum
BP
I've been mending Gunther Wullf mechanisms 50 years man and beast.
Treefrog is your best chance of replacement bits and bobs, however if you want another pair of eyes or a bum steer advice, t'would appear I am very close.
I live Uphill in Lincoln.
Don't hesitate to contact me if you want.
Cheers and welcome to the forum
BP
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