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john t peterson
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I'm surprised the topic of potential independence for Scotland has not raised its crazy little head here.

What gives with the movement? You UK'ers not treating them nice enough?

I'm a Wales man myself (on my father's side) so I don't have a dog in this fight. I did see the film "Brave Heart" with Mel Gibson as William Wallace, though.

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Very emotive topic and the English seem to have very little say in the decision. Of course the politicians make fools of themselves campaigning for the no vote.....

The Scots haven ever stopped moaning in 300 years. They care less about the risk or impact on themselves of such a change as the priority is of course autonomy and nation pride/identity. Most of us are proud of being British, except the Scots, so let them go their own way as far as I am concerned. Question is what happens to the rest of the union of the United Kingdom and Great Britain? Perhaps we can rename them "Lesser Britain" and "No so United Kingdom"

Anyway at least the Scots can run their own government and not run Westminster which they have done for the last 20 years..... !!ESCAPE!!
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I lived there 1958-1965 so I did my Primary Schooling in Scotland.
I know all about racial prejudice, and got beaten up in the playground daily.
They hate us.

At the same school were the children of USAF officers from the nearby Air Base. The Red Indians (Native Americans I believe is the current terminology) Eskimos and Negroes were delighted I was there, I took all the flack off them.

What's funny is very few of them realise why they were part of The Union in the first place.
Your typical Tam O' Shanter, Shortbread Biscuit Tin, Tartaned nationalist chunters on about English domination.
They either forget or don't know we bailed them out when they went bankrupt after fouling up their commonwealth investment. They needed to join us.

My childhood bruises and I are quite indifferent to their future.

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all this drivel and referendum not taken place yet. dont really want to get involved in debate about this but think HATE a little strong maybe you just got one of those faces people want to whack !!GRUMP!! as for moaning for the last 300 years and MOST of us proud to British strange that you say the English have little to say in the matter are northern Ireland and wales not involved also. I for one and know many more who are proud to be part of the union so don't be a **** and tar everyone with the same brush
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John T. Peterson wrote: I did see the film "Brave Heart" with Mel Gibson as William Wallace, though.
they complained about that film in Scotland, then he turned into a alcoholic wifebeater and fitted straight in :HaHa:

live in the highlands part of the year never had a problem with been english, my mother is a scot, not many snp supporters around here.

if it is a yes scotland will go back to the dark ages
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I decided that this wonderful forum would not be best served by my rant. So I deleted it.

Good luck to everyone north of the border.

You are correct, Mr Peterson. No interest here. !!RANT!!
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JP, what have you started, now you know why people haven't raised the topic.......

A couple more things, we would never get in the top 3 medal tables at the Olympics again (well perhaps that was a one off anyway) and the Conservatives would win the next election (given Labour had so many seats in Scotland) maybe why they are making little effort to change opinion.

I met a couple of Officers from the Royal Navy in a pub a couple of weeks ago, from Fastlane.......Boy I thought I had started WWIII, they were not happy with any sarcasm on the topic.....had to change the subject quickly....

I believe Scotland would survive Independence, but for a period we would all suffer ......Mr PM we need a few more flags to select as there is only a Union Jack.....
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polaris wrote:all this drivel and referendum not taken place yet. dont really want to get involved in debate about this but think HATE a little strong maybe you just got one of those faces people want to whack !!GRUMP!! as for moaning for the last 300 years and MOST of us proud to British strange that you say the English have little to say in the matter are northern Ireland and wales not involved also. I for one and know many more who are proud to be part of the union so don't be a **** and tar everyone with the same brush
An excellent response to my rant based on personal abuse as a child.
I do have a face people want to whack and many have tried, I've always been saddened by those lacking in communication skills who resort to violence.
The referendum is imminent so we'll soon see if the most really do want to stay British.
I apologise for tarring everyone with the same brush but as I have been a **** most of my life, it's difficult to change the habit of a lifetime. I guess being picked up by 4 boys and thrown under a lorry on the way home because I was English scarred me for life, you'd think after 52 years I'd have gotten over it. I guess once bitten twice shy, because I haven't.
Actually I hope Scotland doesn't depart, the whole thing seems as ludicrous to me as the fact that the rest of The UK doesn't have a say in this.

However as I personally can't have an affect, there's no point in caring, so I don't.

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Oooops….I seem to have opened Pandora's Box a wee bit and that certainly was not my intention. The question of Scottish independence is just now beginning to get American media attention. We're xenophobic for the most part here in the US; if it doesn't happen to affect us, we don't really care. As a result, I was not aware of the upcoming referendum which only speaks to my ignorance, of course. I was interested in the opinion of the lads I most respect, those being all of you here on Pennymachines.

Respecting the sensitivities of all, I ask Mr. Pennymachines to let this be the end cap on the discussion.

Nursey, would you please notify him for me?

Respectfully yours,

John Peterson
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Post by jonesthegarage »

Yes John, you seem to have hit a hornet's nest with a big stick there. Good job you didn't ask if US should follow suit and leave the Empire. What? You mean they took that decision already? When did that happen? Why is it you can't move for yanks in London for most of the year then, surely not all tourists, I thought they'd come here to pay their taxes to the Queen.

Anyway, I can proudly say I am British, English by birth, part Irish, part Scottish, part Welsh, even got a bit of the old Scandinavian in there for good measure and with a name like Peterson I can guess there was a Swedish sailor somewhere in your father's Welsh heritage.

Next time, observe the old pub rule of never discussing Religion or Politics (or what you would, wouldn't and definitely not what you DID do to your friend's wife) !!ESCAPE!!
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