American, British, French or German? We want to know about it.
pogjones
Posts: 20
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:29 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Watling rol-a-top Reproduction.

Postby pogjones » Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:57 pm

Hi
I am new to the forum and wondered if anyone can point me in the right direction for solving a problem.
I have a repro roll-a-top which has worked fine for about 4 years.
I recently went on holiday and unfortunately left the key for the bandit with in easy reach. The kids will not admit it but someone tried to clear a coin blockage, and now the first reel will not spin but other two do.
I am sure it's not much but it's not my field and i cannot find any literature to help me solve the problem.
I am led to believe that the mechanism is based on the aristocrat.
Any help at all would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Bill.

User avatar
margamatix
Posts: 112
Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:22 pm
Location: Margate

Postby margamatix » Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:56 pm

There is a coin stuck somewhere at the bottom of the mechanism which is jamming it. If you remove the mechanism from the case you should see it. A torch might help.

That's my guess anyway.

coin-op
Forum Moderator
Posts: 518
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 6:23 pm
Location: England
Contact:

Postby coin-op » Thu Feb 08, 2007 11:06 pm

There will be a 'kicker plate' which hits a cog at the side of the reels to cause them to spin when the handle is pulled. You could check to see if the plate is interacting with the cog relating to the sticking reel (if it doesn't then obviously this would cause it to remain stationary).

pogjones
Posts: 20
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:29 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Postby pogjones » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:25 pm

Have had a look at both of these suggestions, there nothing lodged anywhere and the kicker plate does not appear to be causing the problem either.When i put a coin in and pull the handle down gradually, all reels in turn become free. When the mechanism finaly engages the second and third reel spin and the first becomes solid. The two corrisponding large cogs on end also spin but other will not, but not sure if it is supposed to.

User avatar
badpenny
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6331
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 12:41 pm
Location: East Midlands
Contact:

Postby badpenny » Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:49 pm

Yes the three large cogs at the handle end should spin as well.
Try playing the machine but stop the spinning fan ontop of the clock mechanism at the back. Do this before the brakes start to drop in. Do this by shoving a duster or something gentle over the fan (be careful not to damage it). Now remove the mech from the case, from what you've described you should have two reels spinning freely, one locked and more importantly everything that should be free of the reels will be withdrawn. Now take your time to look at it from all angles whilst gently rocking the jammed reel back and forth to find out what is fouling it.

best of luck
Badpenny

pogjones
Posts: 20
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:29 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Postby pogjones » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:01 pm

I have had a play and found that it appears that the fingers, which locate in to the slots on the sides of the cogs are fouling the first cog. When the handle is pulled the fingers move back to allow the cogs to freely rotate but they do not appear to move back enough to disengage the last cog.

User avatar
badpenny
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6331
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 12:41 pm
Location: East Midlands
Contact:

Badpenny rushes in where angels fear to tread

Postby badpenny » Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:59 am

I've waited a couple of days hoping somebody else would step in, but I guess they're all chortling with delight at how much I've bitten off here (can't blame 'em .......... it's what I'd have done)

Right .... well you've done the easy bit ........ now the fun 'cos describing the various pieces of mechanism, relationships and their location in the written word is akin to explaining the rules of cricket over the phone to a tree.

So stick with me: -
With the mech at rest, remove it from the case.
Identify the following bits-
From the back locate the clock with the fan on top. You will see a linkage from it running across the back of the machine (about 4 inches in length) it'll probably have a large spring running parallel with it.
The spring will be attached to a large formed piece of metal in the shape of a letter L (this is the payout lift and release) this is pivoted at its bottom left hand corner allowing it to tilt to the left against the spring when the linkage pushes it (which it will do as the clock winds up).
We'll call this Exhibit A
Hang on I'm going for a coffee.
Back now.

Now go and look for: -
At the side of the mech which connects with the handle, find the metal stud/button which connects with the handle and just rock it up and down, follow the motion until you come to the trigger (front) and trigger (back) these parts only connect when the handle is pulled and transfer the action to the back of the machine. The trigger (front) is in the shape of an oblong with the top right hand corner rounded off. The trigger (back) looks like a wedge.
We'll call this Exhibit B

Now place the mech back in the case, assuming your Watling Repro's door is at the back, you'll still be able to see Exhibit A, but not B.
Enter coin and slowly pull the handle.
You'll see Exhibit A in operation. As the L shaped piece resets itself you'll see that it supports the payout finger reset and release assembly. It should do this by staying directly underneath the round stop. Only by allowing the round stop to sit directly on top of this assembly will the fingers be held right back and clear of the large metal discs. As the mech cycles the clock will allow the assembly to return to its rest position which allows the round stop to drop of the end and consequently allow the fingers to fall against the discs.
Clear as mud? Great! let's continue.

If the finger reset assembly isn't fully retracting then fingers will foul the last disc. You'll see if this is the case because the round stop won't be sitting directly on top of the L shaped piece, or it drops off the edge before the brakes have fallen in. If you witness this happening then you can adjust the height that the payout fingers reset and release assembly achieves (in order that the L shaped piece may slide in underneath) by turning your attention to exhibit B.

Remove the mech again. You'll note that the Trigger (back) is held in place by a bolt screwed in against it. It usually has a locking nut on it.
Now pay attention because much care is needed here!
Gently slacken off the locking nut and retaining bolt, and carefully ease the trigger outward before locking everything off again. Personally I wouldn't go any further than a milimetre at a time without testing it. And only do this if the finger reset assembly isn't raising high enough to allow the L shaped piece to slide in underneath.
The further out the trigger is the higher it has to go before it loses contact with it's other half (Trigger front) This action converts to the back of the mech; and lifts the stop higher giving the L shaped piece more clearance to get in under the stop.

The reason you need to be very careful here, is that if you withdraw trigger (back) too far, the front part of the trigger won't clear it. You'll run out of travel and the mech will lock up. If this happens then you'll need to locate the ratchet that stops the handle from going backwards . Then you'll need to knock the pawl against the teeth to release it again. This can be vicious, damaging and result in personal blood loss.

If however you observe that Exhibit A is doing it's job and the finger reset and release assembly is merrily sitting securely on top of the L shaped (payout lift and release) until the clock mech moves it allowing the fingers to clatter across. Then don't touch Exhibit B, you have a different problem. But check that out first, and let us know how you get on.

I've just read this to myself and it makes no sense at all, clearly I am not to be trusted. Still it's occupied over an hour of my life and exhausted me.

........ think I'll take up stamp collecting!

Badpenny '!'

pogjones
Posts: 20
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:29 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Postby pogjones » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:50 am

Here we go then
I have followed the instructions and found that the button is not sitting correctly! Have tried adjusting the wedge to no avail. However as the button mechanism is on like a pivot and rocks, in the down position it is resting on another part inside machine which stops it sitting down further. The L shaped (payout lift and release) however appears to be too far to the left to sit down anyway. I can take snaps if it would help.

User avatar
badpenny
Forum Moderator
Posts: 6331
Joined: Thu May 05, 2005 12:41 pm
Location: East Midlands
Contact:

Postby badpenny » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:43 pm

Hokey cokey, it looks as if we're in the right area if nothing else.
The button piece ( as we seem to have christened it) only drops far enough to allow the vertical fingers to engage with the holes in the large cogs (as we seem to have christened them).
Photos would be a good step, especially immediately after the handle has been pulled, you'll need to stop the fan again before the brakes drop and you still have the reels free. No need to remove the mech from the case.
The following would be interesting: -
* Close up of the L shaped (as we seem to etc etc etc) including the buttonny bit.
* Close up of the vertical fingers
* Close up of your front door key and a plan of where you keep your valuables

Then let the fan free to complete the cycle and photo them again after the final clinky clunk.

pogjones
Posts: 20
Joined: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:29 pm
Location: Doncaster UK

Postby pogjones » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:06 pm

Ok then
From bottom to top,1st is just after handle depressed, 2nd fingers at same time 3rd after completion.One thing i noticed on bottom image, long bar is it a brake? has a hole in top which could of anchored a spring but to my knowledge it's never had one on.
CIMG0273.JPG
CIMG0273.JPG (15.96 KiB) Viewed 6370 times
CIMG0274.JPG
CIMG0274.JPG (16.78 KiB) Viewed 6371 times
CIMG0275.JPG
CIMG0275.JPG (14.01 KiB) Viewed 6371 times


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 11 guests