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Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby amorphous14 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:51 am

Hi all,

Trying to identify this game for a family member. I think it may be an allwin but there are no marks or labels whatsoever. I also think the backflash might have been removed at some point making it harder. Any help with this and pricing would be great as I want to buy it from her but at a fair price.

Thanks
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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby treefrog » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:15 am

Price as you will have heard many many times is subjective as you could stick this in auction and get 450 one day and 280 another. I would err in the lower end of the estimate. As you say, it has lost its original artwork and backflash and been painted - you could tidy it up. The other thing is, it may have been put in a different cabinet, can’t be sure, but the hinges are odd as this looks like an Oliver Whales machine similar to the below copied from another thread. If your relative stuck it in an auction and sold it for say £320, they would get less, say £270..... Would be interesting to see what others make of it, as I would err cautious and pay below this number, especially when something has been painted like this, which does not look like really old paint. Also the wood on the door is quite rough..... Would be a good project to see what is underneath, but I would not pay too much... Good luck.
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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby amorphous14 » Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:28 am

Cheers,

It will be family rates anyway so I'm not too bothered about price.

I think I'm going to restore it as I have done a few similar things and think it could be made to look great with some TLC.

Any other help or suggestions would be great.

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby pennymachines » Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:03 pm

Here's another, later, Oliver Whales example.
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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby gameswat » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:55 pm

Amourphous, I'm pretty sure that isn't a Whales machine as I've had plenty of them and the mechanisms are quite different from yours in many ways. Different coin entry, different coin chute, different ball release mech, different payout trip lever, etc. I've never seen anything like this mech before so have no idea who could've made it? The answer is probably in the Braithwaite book somewhere if anybody can be bothered looking. Also I think Treefrog has mistaken the oak grain showing through on the door frame as damage, which it isn't, looks like a very nice cabinet to me. And as for new paint, there is quite a lot of old grime inside the machine over the paint, and the areas below the payout cup show considerable wear, so looks old to me. A good clean and service and I'd be happy to own it just like that.

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby pennymachines » Wed Apr 18, 2018 5:41 pm

Funny you should say that Gameswat, but when I first saw it I thought Philip Shefras! How easily I'm led astray.
We discussed these many moons ago and even compared an Allwin Supreme with the P Shefras badge to a cigarette payout allwin similar to the one in question. Notice the tall hinges, flat coin entry with tilted slot and the distinctive (clockwise-turning) payout handle.

Amourphous - you're correct about the backflash, but as you can see, it was only a few strips of coloured acetate. Good news is it's retained the original simple cig packet graphic and the example below belongs to the London Science Museum, no less. As Gameswat hints - gentle conservation, rather than aggressive restoration, is the order of the day...
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Cig pay allwin in Science Museum
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Allwin Supreme with Philip Shefras badge

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby gameswat » Wed Apr 18, 2018 7:22 pm

Nicely played PM, that's why you get paid the big bucks for running this site............................... !!JUNK!!

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby badpenny » Wed Apr 18, 2018 8:48 pm

.......... don't tell him but that's Nursey you're describing.

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby john t peterson » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:54 am

Those tight, white support hose stocking……Grrrrrrrrr :D

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Re: Identifying and pricing potential allwin cigarette machine

Postby amorphous14 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:35 am

Fantastic work guys,thanks very much. I might pop along to the science museum and have look at the original. I will indeed give it a gentle touch up and post back my results.

Thanks again!


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