Caille / Clement & Whales Countertop disc machines

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Re: Caille / Clement & Whales Countertop disc machines

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That’s a nice one henk! Did you find it here in the netherlands? Greetings hans. !THUMBS!
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Re: Caille / Clement & Whales Countertop disc machines

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Yes, from a collector not on marktplaats. Didn't you buy a Caille from me last year? Was also called hans.

Thanks gameswat will take a look soon.
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Re: Caille / Clement & Whales Countertop disc machines

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Yes I did henk, I remember the long drive very well. Enjoy the machine.
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Caille Commercial

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Topic merged - Site Admin.

Ok, so I’ve just picked this up from an auction house. Bit tatty on the outside but the mechanism works fine.
Does anyone with experience of these machines want to give me any help in what to be aware of when taking these apart and reassembling? Does anyone have the artwork for the wheel and the award card?
Also, would this have originally been painted or chromed?

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Caille Ben Hur

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Ahhh Elite auctions, what did it go for…

Not sure it is a Ben Hur. If you follow the thread on Caille Commercials you will see many similar examples.

Personally I would not touch the reel artwork, it is old and looks good. The metal parts may polish up once stripped, but also can be plated if a plater can get it to adhere…

The cabinet finish is odd and may not be original. They were mahogany veneer generally.

They are a bugger to set up right if not working, as there seem to be lots of tolerance issues or wear or both…
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Re: Caille Ben Hur

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The case seems to have had a veneer added at a later date as under the top window, where I have removed it, there is no veneer and you can see the original mahogany finish.
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Re: Caille Ben Hur

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I think TF has covered all the bases there...
Nice 50 stop mechanism with the correct full payouts. !!THUMBSX2!!
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Re: Caille Ben Hur

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Do you think it’s a genuine Caille or could it be a Clement & Whales machine? What casting numbers should I be looking for?
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Re: Caille Commercial

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You must have come across the long thread and I am sure this will be linked in at some point, [merged above - Site Admin.] but if you follow you will see there is not a definitive answer. Possibly 50 stop mechs are original, but what is clear is that the heads and cabinets were made in the U.K. for U.K. market. I have owned both types and both have parts with CB stamps, but not always clear, so may have been copied…
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Re: Caille Commercial

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Yep, that's about it. I'd say it was a Clement & Whales Commercial, circa 1930 and certainly not a Caille Ben Hur, circa 1908 (as catalogued). You don't see that coin head on Caille machines. Looks like it was a lot cheaper than an American Ben Hur too... !THUMBS!

Here's a Chicago-manufactured Caille Ben Hur (turn-of-the-century):



Here's a European-manufactured Caille Ben-Hur:

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