Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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tammy
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Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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Just bought a couple of very long stored bandits off ebay. On one, after cleaning and oiling, the reels spin a little but not enough. Any ideas, as I have spent a lot of time cleaning and trying to oil?
The handle that you push down to make the mech run also seems to stop down each time you operate, and you have to give another push down for it to come up. Any ideas in simple terms on both?

The three top bars don't seem to come finally far enough back. Is it possible someone took the reels off and has not put them in position properly?
Is it an easy job to remove the complete wheel run and put it on again?
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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So faster reels has been asked many times and there is a link in Tips and Tricks on many similar threads: Reels not spinning correctly

Often older mechanisms can be due to wear, but also common issues are:

1) loose or removed reel wire brakes;
2) is kicker working correctly, e.g. needs cleaning, lubing? Is spring good and the head on the kicker flat and engaging the reels correctly?
3) reels are distorted or rubbing against another part of the machine, slowing them down;
4) reel bundle needs cleaning. Take off and remove each section, inspect for damage, clean and lube shaft. Sometimes wear can be an issue on the spines, but also damage like the shafts are dented or not round.

To take the reel bundle out is not too difficult. It requires removing the coin tube, taking the shaft bundle out and the whole thing will lift away.

The handle not returning until pushed down again may be an issue with the handle not passing the handle return ratchet on the side. If so, you need to inspect when operating the machine what stops it going all the way on first operation.

The reel brakes returning to the reel bundle is controlled by the clocking timing and the timing bar. It maybe the clock is not completing the cycle. We cannot see the timing bar in your machine as the one picture not shared is the other side of the mechanism. If this is the case, it can again be many reasons. Common reasons are: poor clock spring, timing bar and associated arms catching or incorrect washers used (meaning they move around too much), clock adjustment or poorly running clock... Of course some other object may be clocking the reel brakes.
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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Everything Tom says above is good advice. As he says, removing the reel bundle is not difficult (but fiddly). Yes, it will need cleaning, but the added advantage is you will be able to clean a lot of hidden areas as well.

Remove the coin tube. This is one (hard to access) bolt to the right of the upper part of the coin tube, then the secret is to half-cock the mech, start to load the cycle until the three-reel brakes reach a point where they are free of the cogs on the reel bundle. There will most likely be a screw bolt holding the reel shaft tight at the right side of the mech above the shaft. There may well be another to the left or the shaft might screw directly into the mech. Either way, remove the shaft, and then the reels will come out of the front of the mech but will need to be fed through the reel brakes with care. It is unlikely you will need to remove each of the reel drums from the bundle. If you do, be very careful to mark their positions first.

Remember oiling the machine can cause as many problems as it fixes. Remove all old grease and oil sparingly with sewing machine type oil and never near any part that comes into contact with a coin.

Looking at your photos, the "clock" looks VERY dirty. Remove it and dismantle it, totally clean and rebuild. It's easier than it looks.
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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Thank you both for replies.
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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Thankyou for help ..the bandit reels running good now and handle comes up as should.
Still not paying out though..i dismantled and cleaned slides but still realise a bar that comes out through the bottom plate appears bent and dont even know if its in right position even seems a little solid..what is it for and should it go through bottom base?..should it move slides back or something?..
I dont know alot about bandits but i know some of you do so would appreciate whatat to do? ..thankyou in anticipation!
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That's the bar that pushes the coin slides forward, & should locate in a slotted casting on the back of the mech.
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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Thank you Special When Lit. I should be able now with your help to sort it out when I get back home! It is a little bent so I will have to make it straighter, shouldn't I?
Thank you tammy.
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HELP!!...I had to undo a large spring to get part off to put back right... but now cannot seem to get the large spring end back on. Any tips?
Also a part that might have had a spring towards the side as shown... should it have a spring on, and if so, where to where?
The bandit is a long way on from when I got, it but I wish I had someone local-ish who could as a friend help!
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Re: Long stored Mills mech reels don't spin

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PLEASE HELP... The bar that pushes the slides back - I couldn't get the spring on this hook and still can't... Any tips to do it! Also, now not sure with taking this part to bits if it's positioned right. Getting a bit mixed up and any pictures would help!
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