New Sega Copper resto help with payout

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Hi Guys,

Picked up a Sega Copper today. It’s the first 20 stop machine I have owned, all my others are old Mills.

Can someone advise what is missing in the pictures please. It’s not paying out and I am sure there is a spring or something not where it should be. If you have a picture of your mech that would be even better :-)
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I can't see anything missing.
Did you try it before you paid?
Was it paying out then?
What happens when you force a win?
Do the slides move back?
Is there a coin jam in the slides?
Are there any coins in the slides?
Are you hearing 5 clicks at the end?
How's Chris these days?

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If it was working when you picked it up, but not now check the anti-tilt.
There may be two of them.
The main one is a clip that drops down and locks up the Vertical Fingers which stops pay outs. It's often held up with either wire or string tied on by the operator.
The lesser one (if fitted) is underneath and covers the coin exit if jolted, it's spring loaded and flicks across to stop coins exiting if mech is abused.

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All good now, coin slides removed, cleaned and reassembled. As I am not familiar with Sega mecs I assumed (wrongly) that there were a couple of springs missing on hooks.

This is also my first escalator so having a tinker with that now.
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Glad to hear it's paying out now.
There is a post that I have found really useful on the topic of large coin escalators which hopefully will be of help.
Fixing large coin escalator problems
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Most helpful cheers :-)
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Well done so far.
I'm puzzled as to why it has half the trip for a side vendor attached.
I've never seen a Sega fitted with a side vendor before.
Are the casting serial numbers Mills or Sega?
You mention the escalator needing a fiddle, what's the problem with it?

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The escalator was just full of crap and grease. I have stripped it down, cleaned, polished and replaced. All working as it should now.

The reward card has come up well, just need to repaint the symbols. I guess the yellow hand written number on the reverse is an original part number.
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Is that a full Mills/Sega type escalator that runs on 1d? If so, it's quite rare. Full escalators never ran well on 1d. It’s a big and often dirty coin and most 1d machines were converted to Shefras roll down escalators so nice to have the full one (if that's what it is, can't quite see in the photo).
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Yes I think it is an original and it works perfectly after a good clean. Here are a couple of pics. Let me know what you think.
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Looking good Paul,
Are you planning to re-paint the castings in a similar colour or do you have something different in mind?
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The paintwork looks pretty good and I would be tempted to simply retouch the missing paintwork. It would be a shame to repaint if it isn't necessary.
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The plan is to repaint folks. What you cannot see in the photos is that the entire casting have been blown over with rather a messy can of paint. When I collected it even the handle was sprayed!

The inside is very untouched, the metal sides are light blue and the castings and bonnet bonnet are still in original red primer, note the original label still in situ.

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I will also revarnish the wooden sides, these have had a brush coat of a water based stain that is dark and full of runs. It’s a winter project and the machine will join the arcade early next year. It’s in the house at the moment being played :-)
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Thanks to Grains for helping me with an escalator glass and the correct award casting for this machine.

I have attached some photos of the before and after. The Ali casting had been shot blasted and was very tough in surface. 30 minutes with the sander , sanding sponge with autosol, fine wire wool with more autosol and finally a soft cloth with ……MORE autosol and it's back on the machine. I have not gone too mad with final polish as I want it to have some signs of wear; it's a 60+ year old machine after all. :-)

What a great forum this is :-)
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Excellent job, well done Paul!
It'll look great on the arcade.

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So, here’s a funny thing…….whilst researching more about Sega machines I found a link on here and guess what…..a picture of my machine! If anyone knows the person that posted it let me know as I would like to track the machines history.

https://segaretro.org/Copper_Sega
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I probably confused myself in the process (it has happened on at least a couple of occasions while walking up the aisle), but the link you've shown seems to trail back to "Black Squirrel"
Google'ing the name along with Sega & username. Took me to a website called Sonic Retro, it seems Black Squirrel is quite active there , and is described as ...
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Seems he was on today even!

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Cheers for the detective work BP. Have joined and checked out his posts.
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So here is an update on the Copper Sega.Polished the Ali castings and discovered the cherry red, “original” (I know there is no such thing in reality) paintwork so thought I would have a go at reinstating it as best as possible. Not gone mad with it as I don't want the machine to look like a brand new one. Still got the cabinet to finish but getting there.
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Looks great.
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