Bryans Bullion on 1p

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Bryans Bullion on 1p

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Hi people. Possibly controversial subject-wise, but I'm buying a Bryans Bullion machine. But it works on new 1p pennies. I've heard and read that some of the earlier machines were running on 1d pennies. Are all the mechanisms geared for 1d pennies and it's just the chrome plates on the coin entry that dictate what coins you use? Could I convert it to 1d if I just tweaked the chrome work? Or is that not really an option? Any advice is gonna be a godsend. I'm new to all this.
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Your machine may have been converted from old penny. Often tell if the top win has obvious signs of being modified to 10 coins from 12. Problem is, you would need replacement coin entries as larger, coin tube and payout etc...
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Hi Wayne and welcome to the site!

Billions, as you suggest, were designed for the big old British penny. Come decimalization some returned to the works for conversion to the new 2p and tiddly 1p. Thereafter Bryans manufactured decimal versions.

Most Bryan's machines are quite easy to convert back but, in addition to the changed outer castings, some of the Bullion's internals were swapped out.

I would not normally advise against buying any machine (at the right price) but the only 1p Bullion I owned was unreliable. Every so often a coin failed to make its way through the mechanism. I put this down to insufficient momentum of the diminutive 1p, and avoided new penny Bullions after that. Maybe others have had better luck...
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Mr. P ... are you suggesting Bryans made Billions of Bullions?

I remember talking to Jim in the late 80s (I think), he commented that although all of their machines had been successful in adapting to the new penny, some were better than others. Payramids and Retreevas could be temperamental as the weight of a 1np coin had to move the trip holding back numerous balls. The Bullion however presented a different problem. Namely the descending coin stopped three times inside the mechanism and relied on gravity to move it on.

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Billions = Bullions. :smash:
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Cheers for your input guys. And sorry for the late reply. The machine has a 10 coin entry chrome cover on the far right instead of a 12? I read a 12 (and obvious bigger openings) means it's a 1d. So I'm sure this one is a 1p. Plus the dial has been changed on the what I would call the jackpot to 15 for the payout? Which I also read means it's only geared for the newer pennies which sucks. I own a Bryans Clock that I just cleaned up and did the bare minimum when it came to restoring it. So was kinda hoping I could get it running on the old 1d coins as well was all.
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All efforts to rid historic machines of the curse of decimalisation are to be applauded.
If the top payout on your machine shows fifteen, then that too is a conversion, and doesn't necessarily mean that it was originally built for the new penny. If the value UNDERNEATH the '15' label is '10', then the original machine was built for new penny; if '12', then possibly not.
Bear in mind that some Bullions left the works with the '12' payout dial and '10' label overlay when new, simply to use-up existing dials.
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Mine has a 10 top payout, & runs on old penny.
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Cheers for the input guys. I bought the machine yesterday and now have it home with me. It's a new 1p one but im fine with that. It appears though that the mechanism arm that flicks under the coin chute won't reset (block the bottom) so the coins just fall out everywhere 😫 so it won't pay out on winning spins. But there is a spring that wasn't attached to anything inside the machine. SO I'm assuming at some point the machine was probably rigged to stop people winning maybe. Anyone know of any sites I can perhaps get a large clear pic of the internals? Or would any of you guys be able to maybe send me a few pics of your mechanisms, to help me work out where it goes? Just I don’t wanna try hooking it onto things and risk stretching it as I imagine they would be almost impossible to replace... Any help or advice will be most definitely be appreciated.
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Before I send pictures of my machines, have a look at this video done by one of our members, Mark. It is very useful in explaining how each part works through the coin feed and operation. I used it recently when sorting mine out… !!THUMBSX2!!

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Cheers mate. That video's great. Been watching that one a lot in the run up to buying the machine haha. Anyways, I've noticed while playing with the machine that the rocker part at the top seems to be out of sync with the bottom half. So the dial spins and the top kind of loses momentum half way and stops and the dial carries on. If I rock the top manually to the end of its cycle it flicks as normal but only pays out one coin regardless of the winning amount. Apart from that I'm still none the wiser, and still not sussed out the mystery of the spring 🤔 . . .
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Share a picture of the spring you are talking about...

I would clean and lubricate key points on the mechanism. There is a guide in Resources showing where to do this, but some grease on the top rocker bar is worth doing…
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Re: Bryans Bullion on 1p

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That's the spring in question. Not much help I know haha.
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That's a quick picture of the mechanism.
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Haven’t clearly understood where the coins are dropping out. So do the coins get to the first of the little windows shown below and when operated drop to the second window. !PUZZLED!

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If they do not reach these windows, then do they drop in the tray below marked by the green arrow?

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If they do reach the windows, and there is an issue with the coins dropping below each of the windows, you can see the springs on the left, but your spring looks too long. The first bar has the pins on for the first window which detects if a coin is present. During the cycle the coin drops to the second window and is released on the next operation to the coin tube by the last bar marked in blue. Again springs are shown and small.

Are the coins dropping into the hopper !PUZZLED! below?

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If they are, and the issue is they do not pay, either the hopper pay arm is not working properly (you can see the spring used at the bottom that pulls the arm across) or it is gummed up. I had to strip mine down and wire clean and it was stuffed with old grease. Also the maybe there's an issue with the pay pins dropping into the correct positions, but I would expect some awards even if incorrect…

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Any more clues from your side may help if above does not explain the issue…
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Well had a bit of a tinker with it today and it appears that if you push down on the bit I circled so it keeps up with the dial spinning, then it will make the rocker mechanism up top finish its cycle as well. If that makes sense? Wondering whether it's just gunked up with years of grease and grime. We had it pay out properly 80% of the time when we did that as well. Was wondering if the bit I circled was supposed to have a spring on it to help pull it down or something? It was fixed to part of the frame with a bit of wire but wasn't actually attached to anything. !PUZZLED! I'm going to give the bits that are sticking a squirt with some solvent degreaser and oil them back up and see if that helps maybe?
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