Ahrens Jolly Fireman Racer identified

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Ahrens Jolly Fireman Racer identified

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Saw this Ahrens Jolly Fireman recently, rather nice example. Pity about the awful plastic tub at the bottom to catch the coin return, it has a BMCo style pinned coin return and I guess it would have originally taken a penny so the current 20p would just fly off over the floor without the tub
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Very nice Arrgee - I'm guessing it's at Swindon? - I recognise the decorative railings.
It's not original though - it's one of two built a few years ago. As far as I can recall, it was always intended to operate on 20p, so there's no excuse really for the inappropriate coin return - that Tupperware thing, crudely screwed on, is frankly unbelievable :evil: .
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There is also one of these at Portsmouth Naval Docks, in the cafe with a whole lot more of interesting machines!
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And here's a picture of the one at Milestones, posted by JC.
I didn't know any of these had been reproduced.
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JC wrote:I'm guessing it's at Swindon

That's right Jerry. On display at the STEAM museum.

It's not original though - it's one of two built a few years ago
So that would explain why it does not have the typical Ahrens claw feet. Very good repro though. Is the Ahrens oval name plate also repro?
I see that the Ahrens machine at Milestones has a traditional half round payout cup.
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arrgee wrote: Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:19 pmIsthe Ahrens oval name plate also repro?
I'd guess so. Notice the two screws either side of the coin entry are in the wrong place - one of which is a brass slotted round-head and the other a counter-sunk pozi :tut

Just for clarity - the machine at Milestones is an original Ahrens, whilst I suspect the one at Portsmouth, mentioned by Watlingman, is the sister repro machine to the machine at Swindon.
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Identification of firemen ladder race game

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Can anyone here identify the maker and any additional information on this game believed to be an English arcade from the 20's? Like so many English 2-player racers, 2-pennies go in and 1 is returned to the winner.
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Goodness, Tim, How do you keep coming up with these treasures? :o

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Re: Identification of firemen ladder race game

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Ahrens surely. Looks like tge coin entry has been changed and the knob for the coin return is missing. The Jolly Fireman Racer.
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Re: Ahrens Jolly Fireman Racer identified

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This one had me guessing as I could not find reference to ladder climbing fireman type game, but it did remind me of Ahrens working models so this answers it. I figured PM forum would be the one place to find out. It is missing the winner coin return mechanics, which now explains the filled hole in the front. Those were often removed from winner pay back machines imported to the US to make them legal for public use. I have had to reverse that on some RW games where the mech. was at least still present enough to reverse modify and return to large penny play. It appears to be missing illumination for behind the windows. From the looks of the mech, condition, and the feet, I believe this one is an original Ahrens and not a repro, and this exact one has history in the US at least back to 2013.

So for those wondering where I saw it, they have obviously have not been keeping close enough tabs on Morphy Auctions (another rainy day project for me this weekend). Unfortunately like much that ends up in that auction, it has been modified from original, and unclear how easily that could be fixed. Auction descriptions of it are incomplete, just noting it is modified and from the 1920s, as English Climbing Firemen. No attribution to the maker. Is it referenced in any arcade books?

This particular one has shown up twice at auction in the US.
Morphy (Jamesdjulia) lot 3286 6/21/2013 - fierce bidding and it didn't go cheap;
Morphy lot 3244 4/22/2023 - I expect it will again draw fierce bidding. (Note, Morphy description is a word for word copy of the 2013 auction listing).

BTW, in this Morphy April auction there are many arcade games where the exact same one was in auctions from 2013 to 2018, so I suspect another collector has unfortunately retired (from the hobby or from life). I also see multiple lots that showed sold below minimum in last Nov. auction, so those would have been reserve not met but displayed as sold.
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