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Help needed for Rondo machine

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Hi
Can anyone help me with the wiring and what relays this machine has? I'm trying to restore it and have made many parts so far, but now I have hit a brick wall. Any help would be great, no matter how small... Thank you.
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Perhaps, if we could see photos and know what the machine looks like. :!?!:
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:WELCOME: olderek1@

Flyer for console version in Resources.
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Hi Derek, welcome to the mad house. .:*+*:.
Is this your first machine?
Jamieson's did two versions of this machine. Which one do you have? !PUZZLED!
Photos of both the inside and outside of your machine would be very helpful. At the time of production, Jamieson's were still using "surplus" electrical components to construct their machines, so the parts in your machine may differ slightly from the parts in other machines.
That said, some of the principles of operation are straightforward if you are comfortable working with relays. :zapa:
As for finding a wiring diagram? I think you will have a better chance of winning the Lottery. Believe me I have looked. !!JUNK!!

How far have you got with your project so far?
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Hi
It's the second machine with electrics I've done. This model I'm trying to do now is the Rondo. The last one was the Snap Lite, made by the same company. So far I have made and bought loads of parts that were missing. The main parts missing are two relays.... I cannot work out how to upload photos here. If I could it would make it easier.........
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When you post a reply and want to add photos, you need to scroll down the reply page so you can see the area below the reply box, then click on the "attachment" icon, then click on the "add files" icon. This should take you to your photos. Choose the photos you want to post and hit open. They should attach to your reply. !!JUNK!!

How to upload & post images
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This was the inside when it arrived...
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I made the money holders and push slides for the coins.
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Rob at Mablethorpe has a good video of this machine:
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olderek1@ wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:47 pm s-l1600.jpg
This was the inside when it arrived...20231031_224022.jpg
I made the money holders and push slides for the coins
Hi Derek, well done on sorting the photos. !!PHOTO!!
First of all I must tell you that I no longer have my machine. I sold it to Robert. It is the one in his video on YouTube, but I have worked on one or two of them, so I can guide you through the principles of how they operate. Let's start by giving the parts of the machine some names. Helps to stop confusion later on. !PUZZLED! :!?!:

1 win lose selector
2 stop selector
3 payout unit
4 odds selector
5 jackpot controller

I don't know how much work you have done on your machine to date, but I would spend some time stripping and cleaning each of the units, and also testing the geared motors to see if they are working. These motors can be problematic if they have been stood unused for a long time.

Can I also ask what experience you have with this type of electrical work? Do you understand relays, motors, transformers etc?? Can you follow a wiring diagram? :cool:
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First of all, thanks so much for your help here. Without it I feel doomed. I have checked all motors and serviced the gearing. One motor I could not get to work but found the correct one on ebay. I have made the penny chute, and I'm waiting for the coin entry microswitch to arrive. As I've said before, the relays that are missing are my big problem. Maybe later in this build I could chat over the phone. I will show a photo of a guitar I built with LED's and it was wired by me without any elecrtrical knowledge......... so hopefully I can get this machine to work one day. The video of rob's has been my guide to the work on it... And made me get this one not knowing how bad it was...
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Thanks for your photos they are a real help. Have you a good one of the rectifier wiring please? Here is the coin slide I've made.......
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The type of rectifier fitted to your machine is a Selenium Rectifier. By all means test it. You might be lucky and it may still be working OK, but with age they do tend to deteriorate and become unreliable, in which case you could fit a replacement silicon rectifier in its place.

The wiring shown in the photo is as follows:
The two GREEN wires are the AC feed from the secondary output of the transformer.
The RED & BLACK wires are the DC output from the rectifier.

Don't be fooled when testing the rectifier. It may show a good DC output to your test meter, but fail when put under load. |/XX\|

I am going to try to draw up some basic circuits. They won't be 100% correct as I don't have the machine in front of me, but they will give you a good idea of how the machine operates.
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Hi I have just tested the rectifier and it seems to be OK. The transformer that came with the machine has no secondary windings so I have bought a 230v to 12 v converter.
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Yep, not the original transformer that came with the machine. Been replaced at some time. :!?!:

I am attaching some drawings and notes that I have done for you. As I said before, they won't be 100% correct, but they will help you to make sense of it. |/XX\|
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You certainly are a Star, and I thank you. Your knowledge has put me on the right road to hopefully seeing an end result one day........ Can you tell me what enclosed pic is?
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Looks like it is there to stop a second coin being put into the machine before the end of the game. :cool:
I am always happy to help were I can. It keeps the old brain ticking over. -/00\-
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I forgot to mention the function of the odds selector switch.
It changes the pins on the win lose selector from lose to win. This increases the "odds" of you winning. !!YIPPEE!!
The drawing shows the basics of operation.
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Well done Stuart. Where else can struggling slotties obtain such valuable information other than this great website? !!THUMBSX2!!
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Hi. I agree with you. I'm over the moon with Stuart's help. Without it I am lost............
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Hi Stuart
Would this relay replace the ones missing? It's 12v.
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